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[Ronin Six]

Well We do current have quite few IS mechs within the game. Some of them competitive,others not so much. This thread is mainly covering mech from both the Star League/ age of war Era and the SW era. Quite a few of these mechs are already playable within the game. this is more of a thread of which mechs from those two eras you would like to see in the game.

Me I would like to see the Talos,Longbow,Shootist,Toro and Flashman In the Game. Maybe even the Nightstar(Althought I admit it would be very unlikely for the Talos and Toro Mechs to be Implimented due to the lack of cannon variants). What would you guys like to see in the game? Who know maybe they'll implement the one that are in popular demand.

Edited by Ronin Six, 30 November 2016 - 02:25 AM.

[Zieten]

I'd love to see what the artists would make out of the Pillager and Emperor.

[rolly]

Well since this game isn't going anywhere and mechpacks is all to look forward to...

Definitely the Shootist, Nightstar and Pillager. Especially the Flashman. Heck even the Guillotine. I'd even settle for the Mongoose, Mercury and Hussar. True light mechs and not the barfboats we have now.

But I'm afraid PGI's just going to make up crap meta variants since they don't fit the ridiculous 3 variant template they want. All the mechs are unique and fine the way they are, spamming variants just detracts that.

Edited by rolly, 24 November 2016 - 02:06 PM.

[Bombast]

While not a full list, here's all the mechs listed in the 2750 TRO.

• BattleMechs
  
  • Light 'Mechs
    
    • Mercury
      
    • Thorn
      
    • Mongoose
      
    • Hermes
      
    • Hussar
  • Medium 'Mechs
    
    • Sentinel
      
    • Wyvern
      
    • Crab
      
    • Kintaro
  • Heavy 'Mechs
    
    • Champion
      
    • Lancelot
      
    • Exterminator
      
    • Bombardier
      
    • Guillotine
      
    • Flashman
      
    • Black Knight
  • Assault 'Mechs
    
    • Thug
      
    • Crockett
      
    • Highlander
      
    • King Crab

Also of note - 90% of the mechs in Battletech (A bit of a exaggeration, I guess) are technically SLDF designs. The term usually is applied to mechs that became extinct, or near extinct, during the Succession Wars, exempting Clan museum pieces and ComStar vaults.


Anyway... the Mercury (Light mech, Father of All Omnimechs) would be a nice addition. The Thug would be an interesting lore addition (Though it adds little to the game). The Champion is my favorite SLDF design, but I don't want MWO's unified design approach anywhere near my goofy tub.

Edited by Bombast, 24 November 2016 - 06:05 AM.

[FLG 01]

Many Star League-era Mechs were not published in TRO:2750. Pretty much after the release of TRO:2750 FASA began adding new designs in various sourcebooks (the Spector in Big MAC's scenario pack e.g.). Many of them followed TRO:2750 so quickly that the German translation of this TRO simply included them. However FASA kept adding them and ended up with so many Mechs published in so many source books that they collected them again in TRO:3058. And it did not even end there... SL Mechs kept and keep coming.

Anyway, there are some excellent designs. The Nightstar obviously would be one of the better assaults, especially for long range combat with its Marauder-like hitboxes and high hardpoints.

I am not much of an assault fan and my favourite would be the Excalibur:


It has boring variants, but other than that it is fine. In 3050 it was a rare Mech outside of ComStar, but thanks to various caches some Mercs operated them.


Another notable mention is the 40 ton Sentinel, which would have been miles better the Assassin.


It features many canonical variants which are very diverse and allow for different builds, while having a high engine cap and favourable torso geometry. It can even mount an AC/20 in the arm if you want some crazy build.
But I fear we will not see another IS 40 tonner soon, so the Assassin killed that one.

[Kael Posavatz]

Ronin Six, on 24 November 2016 - 03:58 AM, said:

(Althought I admit it would be very unlikely for the Talos and Toro Mechs to be Implimented due to the lack of cannon variants).

When has a lack of canon variants ever given PGI pause?

Look at the Clan BattleMechs. Only the ones that are '-#' are canon. All of the dash-letter ones are PGI originals. 3 of 4 Hunchback IIC, 3 of 4 Orion IIC, 3 of 4 Highlander IIC, only 1 of 4 Jenner IIC, but 5 of 8 Marauder IICs. And never mind that canon is very specific about there only being one Orion IIC variant (outside of personalized custom-built models).

And those are the mechs that it's easy to tell are PGI-original mechs. I know there are others because at one point I had a list (not sure where it's gone to and I don't feel like checking ATM).


Now, I can think of plenty of other reasons not to see these mechs. Name recognition. The glut of 50 tonners the IS already has. A lack of light mechs for the last year (though this may also count as a reason why we could see the Toro).

[KoalaBrownie]

Bombast, on 24 November 2016 - 06:03 AM, said:

Also of note - 90% of the mechs in Battletech (A bit of a exaggeration, I guess) are technically SLDF designs.

90% of mechs were designed by the Star League Defense Force? Don't think so dude. Not even close. Try 9%

[Davers]

FLG 01, on 24 November 2016 - 10:26 AM, said:

Many Star League-era Mechs were not published in TRO:2750. Pretty much after the release of TRO:2750 FASA began adding new designs in various sourcebooks (the Spector in Big MAC's scenario pack e.g.). Many of them followed TRO:2750 so quickly that the German translation of this TRO simply included them. However FASA kept adding them and ended up with so many Mechs published in so many source books that they collected them again in TRO:3058. And it did not even end there... SL Mechs kept and keep coming.

Anyway, there are some excellent designs. The Nightstar obviously would be one of the better assaults, especially for long range combat with its Marauder-like hitboxes and high hardpoints.

I am not much of an assault fan and my favourite would be the Excalibur:


It has boring variants, but other than that it is fine. In 3050 it was a rare Mech outside of ComStar, but thanks to various caches some Mercs operated them.


Another notable mention is the 40 ton Sentinel, which would have been miles better the Assassin.


It features many canonical variants which are very diverse and allow for different builds, while having a high engine cap and favourable torso geometry. It can even mount an AC/20 in the arm if you want some crazy build.
But I fear we will not see another IS 40 tonner soon, so the Assassin killed that one.

I dunno, those long legs might create a kind of "volume weirdness". Plus the CT reminds me of Dragons, and they didn't work out too well.

[GreenHell]

Davers, on 24 November 2016 - 12:35 PM, said:

I dunno, those long legs might create a kind of "volume weirdness". Plus the CT reminds me of Dragons, and they didn't work out too well.

The perspective in that artwork is a bit wonky. The Sentinel is supposed to be a "Ball with legs and arms" kinda looking mech. It's supposed to be round, and spheres are very good at holding lots of volume.

-EDIT- Here ya go

Edited by GreenHell, 24 November 2016 - 01:01 PM.

[FLG 01]

The Sentinel is indeed very good at distributing mass. It probably would be a somewhat better Cicada in terms of geometry. So no problem here.

The original artworks just look rather goofy...

[STEF_]

I love old designs!!!

PGIPLZ......

[Ronin Six]

Can a Moderator Sticky this? Also I kinda would like to see the Mercury and Firefly As well as the Raptor(An IS Omnimech that should be coming out next year due to being introduced in 3052 In-game =2017 Real time). Maybe throw in the Night Hawk and Thorn as well.

[Barantor]

There are several mechs in the game already that were specifically made for the "Royal Brigade" of the SLDF and they usually have advanced equipment much like the Helm Memory Core upgrades.

It would be neat to have all the Royal mechs as variants for the ones we have already.

[Stefan the Usurper Amaris]

Bombast, on 24 November 2016 - 06:03 AM, said:

Also of note - 90% of the mechs in Battletech (A bit of a exaggeration, I guess) are technically SLDF designs.

KoalaBrownie, on 24 November 2016 - 12:29 PM, said:

90% of mechs were designed by the Star League Defense Force? Don't think so dude. Not even close. Try 9%

Technically they are proposed designs and were contracted to various manufacturers to build them. Some may have even been proposed by the manufacturer(s) themselves. But the majority is SLDF designed.

[KoalaBrownie]

Stefan the Usurper Amaris, on 24 November 2016 - 11:12 PM, said:

Technically they are proposed designs and were contracted to various manufacturers to build them. Some may have even been proposed by the manufacturer(s) themselves. But the majority is SLDF designed.

So all of the clan mechs, the mechs in 3055, 3060, 3067, 3075, 3085, 3140, 3145 those were all designs proposed to the SLDF? A military organization which ceased to exist when the exodus fleet left and the remaining units were gobbled up by the houses? There are hundreds of units in Battletech and while the number related to the Star League and SLDF is significant, it is absolutely no where near 90%

[Bombast]

KoalaBrownie, on 25 November 2016 - 12:37 AM, said:

So all of the clan mechs, the mechs in 3055, 3060, 3067, 3075, 3085, 3140, 3145 those were all designs proposed to the SLDF? A military organization which ceased to exist when the exodus fleet left and the remaining units were gobbled up by the houses? There are hundreds of units in Battletech and while the number related to the Star League and SLDF is significant, it is absolutely no where near 90%

Exaggerate - to magnify beyond the limits of truth; overstate; represent disproportionately

The Star League era is the most dense Battletech time span for equipment manufacturing, which is what I was trying to convey.

Though I believe that, in the current 'Timeline' (The timeline apparently is abandoned, but I think it's safe to say that we can consider the game 3055 at latest), Star League account for about 75%-ish of the mechs ever made, maybe 60%, the Clans having a far less dense battlemech pool then the Inner Sphere, and the Inner Sphere just getting around to making more then a few token new designs.

EDIT: Unrelated, but I'm having trouble sleeping, so... if my count is right, the current stats for mechs in game, or announced...

Star League Inner Sphere Mechs - 57.3% (89.6% of Inner Sphere Mechs)
Non-Star League Inner Sphere Mechs - 6.7% (10.4% of Inner Sphere Mechs)
Clan Mechs - 36%

Edited by Bombast, 25 November 2016 - 01:27 AM.

[jss78]

I'd love the Hermes. Is there a single base 9/14 move 'mech in the game? The Star League Royals variant even throws in a MASC.

[Steinar Bergstol]

Bombast, on 24 November 2016 - 06:03 AM, said:

While not a full list, here's all the mechs listed in the 2750 TRO.

• BattleMechs
  
  • Light 'Mechs
    
    • Mercury
      
    • Thorn
      
    • Mongoose
      
    • Hermes
      
    • Hussar
  • Medium 'Mechs
    
    • Sentinel
      
    • Wyvern
      
    • Crab
      
    • Kintaro
  • Heavy 'Mechs
    
    • Champion
      
    • Lancelot
      
    • Exterminator
      
    • Bombardier
      
    • Guillotine
      
    • Flashman
      
    • Black Knight
  • Assault 'Mechs
    
    • Thug
      
    • Crockett
      
    • Highlander
      
    • King Crab

Also of note - 90% of the mechs in Battletech (A bit of a exaggeration, I guess) are technically SLDF designs. The term usually is applied to mechs that became extinct, or near extinct, during the Succession Wars, exempting Clan museum pieces and ComStar vaults.



Anyway... the Mercury (Light mech, Father of All Omnimechs) would be a nice addition. The Thug would be an interesting lore addition (Though it adds little to the game). The Champion is my favorite SLDF design, but I don't want MWO's unified design approach anywhere near my goofy tub.

Who welded a pair of legs onto that airplane?

[Bombast]

Steinar Bergstol, on 25 November 2016 - 01:27 AM, said:

Who welded a pair of legs onto that airplane?

The geniuses at Bergan Industries, in an attempt to make the heaviest LAM ever.

[Ronin Six]

Thanks to bombast I have now got the mental image of a walking 747 in my mind. To be honest chronologically the SL era probably has the most dense mech population in the context o the current cut-off year in game, plus add in the mechs from the SW era and that is quite a sizeable pool of IS mechs to pull from.

The Champion would be good choice as well. Still the firefly would be interesting to see(seriously light mechs in mwo need some love).